Inboard engine, plywood spacers?

06 May.,2024

 

Inboard engine, plywood spacers?



Before you remove the old stringers take a good look at them and try to determine if they were built in the correct place to begin with. Don't assume that because the boat came out of a factory that the factory did it right. The ply may have been added at a later time to correct for an alignment issue or it may have been done at the factory. I'd guess the later time as it hasn't rotted away.

You may want to make a jig before you remove the old stringers so that you will know where the engine beds will be when you build the new stringers. Once the old stringers are gone you won't know where to place the beds without some kind of guide.

You might want to consider a better mounting arrangement. I think the squared off stringer with the engine plopped on top and lag bolted is the lazy mans way of doing this.

Consider spreading your stringers a bit and using 3/8" aluminum angle. Doing this is a little more work but will allow you to build your stringers a little higher and when done will provide a very stable mounting arrangement. You'll also be able to round off the top of the stringers which is much stronger and it's easier to do a fiberglass layup that way. Glass hates sharp corners.

I'll post a couple of photos below to give you an idea.







Dave Gerrs book, "The Elements of Boat Strength" was the resource I used to figure out how to build my stringers.

Good Luck with your project. Do it once, do it right and you'll be glad you did.

MIA

If you're going to replace the stringers (a big task that must be done correctly) take the time to learn stringer engineering and how your engine should be mounted for maximum stability. Back about 10 years ago I did a similar job when restoring a small cruiser.Before you remove the old stringers take a good look at them and try to determine if they were built in the correct place to begin with. Don't assume that because the boat came out of a factory that the factory did it right. The ply may have been added at a later time to correct for an alignment issue or it may have been done at the factory. I'd guess the later time as it hasn't rotted away.You may want to make a jig before you remove the old stringers so that you will know where the engine beds will be when you build the new stringers. Once the old stringers are gone you won't know where to place the beds without some kind of guide.You might want to consider a better mounting arrangement. I think the squared off stringer with the engine plopped on top and lag bolted is the lazy mans way of doing this.Consider spreading your stringers a bit and using 3/8" aluminum angle. Doing this is a little more work but will allow you to build your stringers a little higher and when done will provide a very stable mounting arrangement. You'll also be able to round off the top of the stringers which is much stronger and it's easier to do a fiberglass layup that way. Glass hates sharp corners.I'll post a couple of photos below to give you an idea. View attachment 169372 The wooden inserts provide compression strength when clamping in new beds. View attachment 169373 Notice no sharp corners. There are backing plates on the side of the stringer you can't see. View attachment 169374 This more recent photo shows the backing plates. I used aluminum for the shims on the back mounts. No shims on the front mounts.Dave Gerrs book, "The Elements of Boat Strength" was the resource I used to figure out how to build my stringers.Good Luck with your project. Do it once, do it right and you'll be glad you did.MIA

Inboard engine, plywood spacersplywood spacers?



Before you remove the old stringers take a good look at them and try to determine if they were built in the correct place to begin with. Don't assume that because the boat came out of a factory that the factory did it right. The ply may have been added at a later time to correct for an alignment issue or it may have been done at the factory. I'd guess the later time as it hasn't rotted away.

You may want to make a jig before you remove the old stringers so that you will know where the engine beds will be when you build the new stringers. Once the old stringers are gone you won't know where to place the beds without some kind of guide.

You might want to consider a better mounting arrangement. I think the squared off stringer with the engine plopped on top and lag bolted is the lazy mans way of doing this.

Consider spreading your stringers a bit and using 3/8" aluminum angle. Doing this is a little more work but will allow you to build your stringers a little higher and when done will provide a very stable mounting arrangement. You'll also be able to round off the top of the stringers which is much stronger and it's easier to do a fiberglass layup that way. Glass hates sharp corners.

I'll post a couple of photos below to give you an idea.







Dave Gerrs book, "The Elements of Boat Strength" was the resource I used to figure out how to build my stringers.

Good Luck with your project. Do it once, do it right and you'll be glad you did.

MIA

If you're going to replace the stringers (a big task that must be done correctly) take the time to learn stringer engineering and how your engine should be mounted for maximum stability. Back about 10 years ago I did a similar job when restoring a small cruiser.Before you remove the old stringers take a good look at them and try to determine if they were built in the correct place to begin with. Don't assume that because the boat came out of a factory that the factory did it right. The ply may have been added at a later time to correct for an alignment issue or it may have been done at the factory. I'd guess the later time as it hasn't rotted away.You may want to make a jig before you remove the old stringers so that you will know where the engine beds will be when you build the new stringers. Once the old stringers are gone you won't know where to place the beds without some kind of guide.You might want to consider a better mounting arrangement. I think the squared off stringer with the engine plopped on top and lag bolted is the lazy mans way of doing this.Consider spreading your stringers a bit and using 3/8" aluminum angle. Doing this is a little more work but will allow you to build your stringers a little higher and when done will provide a very stable mounting arrangement. You'll also be able to round off the top of the stringers which is much stronger and it's easier to do a fiberglass layup that way. Glass hates sharp corners.I'll post a couple of photos below to give you an idea. View attachment 169372 The wooden inserts provide compression strength when clamping in new beds. View attachment 169373 Notice no sharp corners. There are backing plates on the side of the stringer you can't see. View attachment 169374 This more recent photo shows the backing plates. I used aluminum for the shims on the back mounts. No shims on the front mounts.Dave Gerrs book, "The Elements of Boat Strength" was the resource I used to figure out how to build my stringers.Good Luck with your project. Do it once, do it right and you'll be glad you did.MIA

STL206: The best plywood for jigs

Tom, Mike, and Ben start 2020 off with a quick-fire session, answering a bunch of questions and discussing what they hope the new year brings to their shops

This episode is brought to you by Maverick Abrasives.

Question 1: 

From Bobby:
I’ve been listening to the podcast while I woodwork and Bob and Mike got on the subject of sanding blocks. I’ve seen other woodworkers use sanding blocks as well and have been talking about the downside of orbital sanders, mostly the pigtail swirls that show up. Do you only use sanding blocks to sand? Or do you recommend using sanding blocks for the higher grits only? I have an orbital sander now and I want better results than I’m getting. Love the podcast and all the advice!

Tips For Sanding Basics

by David Sorg

Combine power and hand-sanding for good results with no wasted time

Question 2:

From Joel Fägerholt, Finland
I work at a factory where we build saunas, and I’ve noticed that black alder has quite nice ray flecks. The rays are narrower than those found in oak but still nice to look at. Do you know of any more species that have these big visible rays, except already mentioned species?

Understanding Quartersawn Figure

by Kevin Rodel

Q: After resawing pieces of old, quartersawn oak, I found that some of the boards with rings that were 5º to 10° off perpendicular to the surface showed even better…

Question 3:

From Joe:
Mike, I’m sure you’ve covered this before however, would explain your process for fuming white oak and if this process will get me close to the color of “English Brown Oak” without imparting any dyes or stains. I’m actually building one of your cabinets (yes from your book;) and I’d like just the drawer front to take on that dark brown appearance. What I’m afraid of is if I use a dye or stain, when I go to plane the sides to fit the drawer opening, I may lose some of that color on the end grain of the pin board/drawer front. So, I thought ammonia fuming might be the ticket. And just for clarification, I tried to find some brown oak and struck out. 

Fuming with Ammonia

by Kevin Rodel

How to get an authentic Arts-and-Crafts finish safely and effectively

Question 4:  

From Drew:
I have always heard that baltic birch plywood is best for shop jigs. However, every time that I pick up a sheet I find that it is not as flat as I would like (for use as a base in a crosscut sled for example). I’ve noticed that MDF is much flatter, but it comes with its own weight and durability issues. What material do you suggest? Do you employ construction methods to keep your base flat? Am I worried too much about flatness?

The Ultimate Shop Plywood

by Stuart Lipp

Build better jigs, tables, cauls, and cabinets with phenolic plywood

Segment: Shop resolutions

Ben – Finally get some drawers in his shop!

Tom – Build some hanging tool storage for the walls of his shop.

Hand tools are kept close at hand with hanging panels

by Jason Stephens

Clever hand tool holders blend security with easy access

Mike – Finally change the lightbulbs in his shop.

Question 5:

From Dean:
As previously disclosed I am outfitting an auxiliary shop and the question of sharpening arises.  I am a fan of waterstones. I have a lab sink in my south shop and am accustomed to flattening waterstones with a diamond lapping plate under running water.  The north shop is heated and no challenge keeping stones hydrated in a tub.  But, how do I flatten stones without running water? Others certainly have the same problem—I just never contemplated another waterless flattening methodology. Suggestions or commentary is appreciated.

Tool Review: Norton Abrasives Waterstone Case

Bottom section holds accessories like extra stones, lapping plates, and honing guides.

Question 6:

From Mat in Australia:
I see many people pushing their re sawn piece towards the fence beyond the blade. Surely this closes the kerf and pinches the blade. Is this a problem? I try not to do this but at times it would be useful to provide some sideways pressure towards the fence to keep to the line.

Question 7:

From Jesse:
I’m new to woodworking and slowly outfitting my small workshop. I’m limited on space, but I’d like to get a jointer to reap the economic advantages of rough sawn lumber. Are 6” benchtop jointers worth the money? Should I be worried about the aluminum fence that most of these have? Is the table length a concern? Am I better off buying a used, floor-standing jointer with a mobile base and sacrificing space? 

Flatten Wide Boards on a Narrow Jointer

Simple plywood spacer increases the capacity of your 6-in. or 8-in. jointer

Question 8:

From Cramer:
Long time listener / third time questioner. I’m thinking about getting a good track saw – either the Festool 55 or Makita (per the article in FWW 255) – to do, among other things, 45deg miters in 3/4″ or 1″ baltic birch plywood for an open-front cabinet (roughly 24″ w x 36″ h x18″ d). Being as careful as possible with the setup and cut, could I expect this joint to come together cleanly? From all the reviews it sounds like these saws are great and 90deg cuts are perfect, but how are they at creating mating 45s? I could take a trip and do this on a good table saw, but would like to be able to do it in my own shop (#newtoolexcuses).  

Track Saws

by Mark Edmundson

For fast, accurate cuts in plywood and more, these compact saws are hard to beat

How To Make a Tracksaw Crosscut Table

Track saws are equally at home in the workshop and on the job site. Ben Strano shows how to build a table that will make the track saw your go-to tool for crosscutting panels that are too big for your tablesaw.

Question 9:

From Aaron:
The past few weeks I have been working on a Walnut crib (my first child is due in October). I wanted to lighten the tones of the Walnut to give a more classic color to better match the design of the bed. I am using a coat of Amber shellac for color, followed by a sprayed lacquer for protection. While applying the shellac, I quickly realized an issue. There are areas of sapwood on focal visual points of the bed. While the rest of the Walnut turns a beautiful medium brown, the sapwood turns, well, orange. I want to know if there is any way to avoid this or another finish that will yield similar color without the orange staining, Should have just better selected my lumber to avoid any and all sapwood. 

Concealing Sapwood

by Peter Gedrys

Q: I have an attractive, wide piece of walnut that I would like to use for a small tabletop. However, it is marred by a streak of sapwood in one…

Every two weeks, a team of Fine Woodworking staffers answers questions from readers on Shop Talk Live, Fine Woodworking‘s biweekly podcast. Send your woodworking questions to [email protected] for consideration in the regular broadcast! Our continued existence relies upon listener support. So if you enjoy the show, be sure to leave us a five-star rating and maybe even a nice comment on our iTunes page.

 

STL206: The best plywood for jigs

Tom, Mike, and Ben start 2020 off with a quick-fire session, answering a bunch of questions and discussing what they hope the new year brings to their shops

This episode is brought to you by Maverick Abrasives.

Question 1: 

From Bobby:
I’ve been listening to the podcast while I woodwork and Bob and Mike got on the subject of sanding blocks. I’ve seen other woodworkers use sanding blocks as well and have been talking about the downside of orbital sanders, mostly the pigtail swirls that show up. Do you only use sanding blocks to sand? Or do you recommend using sanding blocks for the higher grits only? I have an orbital sander now and I want better results than I’m getting. Love the podcast and all the advice!

Tips For Sanding Basics

by David Sorg

Combine power and hand-sanding for good results with no wasted time

Question 2:

From Joel Fägerholt, Finland
I work at a factory where we build saunas, and I’ve noticed that black alder has quite nice ray flecks. The rays are narrower than those found in oak but still nice to look at. Do you know of any more species that have these big visible rays, except already mentioned species?

Understanding Quartersawn Figure

by Kevin Rodel

Q: After resawing pieces of old, quartersawn oak, I found that some of the boards with rings that were 5º to 10° off perpendicular to the surface showed even better…

Question 3:

From Joe:
Mike, I’m sure you’ve covered this before however, would explain your process for fuming white oak and if this process will get me close to the color of “English Brown Oak” without imparting any dyes or stains. I’m actually building one of your cabinets (yes from your book;) and I’d like just the drawer front to take on that dark brown appearance. What I’m afraid of is if I use a dye or stain, when I go to plane the sides to fit the drawer opening, I may lose some of that color on the end grain of the pin board/drawer front. So, I thought ammonia fuming might be the ticket. And just for clarification, I tried to find some brown oak and struck out. 

Fuming with Ammonia

by Kevin Rodel

How to get an authentic Arts-and-Crafts finish safely and effectively

Question 4:  

From Drew:
I have always heard that baltic birch plywood is best for shop jigs. However, every time that I pick up a sheet I find that it is not as flat as I would like (for use as a base in a crosscut sled for example). I’ve noticed that MDF is much flatter, but it comes with its own weight and durability issues. What material do you suggest? Do you employ construction methods to keep your base flat? Am I worried too much about flatness?

The Ultimate Shop Plywood

by Stuart Lipp

Build better jigs, tables, cauls, and cabinets with phenolic plywood

Segment: Shop resolutions

Ben – Finally get some drawers in his shop!

Tom – Build some hanging tool storage for the walls of his shop.

Hand tools are kept close at hand with hanging panels

by Jason Stephens

The company is the world’s best plastic mesh for concrete supplier. We are your one-stop shop for all needs. Our staff are highly-specialized and will help you find the product you need.

Clever hand tool holders blend security with easy access

Mike – Finally change the lightbulbs in his shop.

Question 5:

From Dean:
As previously disclosed I am outfitting an auxiliary shop and the question of sharpening arises.  I am a fan of waterstones. I have a lab sink in my south shop and am accustomed to flattening waterstones with a diamond lapping plate under running water.  The north shop is heated and no challenge keeping stones hydrated in a tub.  But, how do I flatten stones without running water? Others certainly have the same problem—I just never contemplated another waterless flattening methodology. Suggestions or commentary is appreciated.

Tool Review: Norton Abrasives Waterstone Case

Bottom section holds accessories like extra stones, lapping plates, and honing guides.

Question 6:

From Mat in Australia:
I see many people pushing their re sawn piece towards the fence beyond the blade. Surely this closes the kerf and pinches the blade. Is this a problem? I try not to do this but at times it would be useful to provide some sideways pressure towards the fence to keep to the line.

Question 7:

From Jesse:
I’m new to woodworking and slowly outfitting my small workshop. I’m limited on space, but I’d like to get a jointer to reap the economic advantages of rough sawn lumber. Are 6” benchtop jointers worth the money? Should I be worried about the aluminum fence that most of these have? Is the table length a concern? Am I better off buying a used, floor-standing jointer with a mobile base and sacrificing space? 

Flatten Wide Boards on a Narrow Jointer

Simple plywood spacer increases the capacity of your 6-in. or 8-in. jointer

Question 8:

From Cramer:
Long time listener / third time questioner. I’m thinking about getting a good track saw – either the Festool 55 or Makita (per the article in FWW 255) – to do, among other things, 45deg miters in 3/4″ or 1″ baltic birch plywood for an open-front cabinet (roughly 24″ w x 36″ h x18″ d). Being as careful as possible with the setup and cut, could I expect this joint to come together cleanly? From all the reviews it sounds like these saws are great and 90deg cuts are perfect, but how are they at creating mating 45s? I could take a trip and do this on a good table saw, but would like to be able to do it in my own shop (#newtoolexcuses).  

Track Saws

by Mark Edmundson

For fast, accurate cuts in plywood and more, these compact saws are hard to beat

How To Make a Tracksaw Crosscut Table

Track saws are equally at home in the workshop and on the job site. Ben Strano shows how to build a table that will make the track saw your go-to tool for crosscutting panels that are too big for your tablesaw.

Question 9:

From Aaron:
The past few weeks I have been working on a Walnut crib (my first child is due in October). I wanted to lighten the tones of the Walnut to give a more classic color to better match the design of the bed. I am using a coat of Amber shellac for color, followed by a sprayed lacquer for protection. While applying the shellac, I quickly realized an issue. There are areas of sapwood on focal visual points of the bed. While the rest of the Walnut turns a beautiful medium brown, the sapwood turns, well, orange. I want to know if there is any way to avoid this or another finish that will yield similar color without the orange staining, Should have just better selected my lumber to avoid any and all sapwood. 

Concealing Sapwood

by Peter Gedrys

Q: I have an attractive, wide piece of walnut that I would like to use for a small tabletop. However, it is marred by a streak of sapwood in one…

Every two weeks, a team of Fine Woodworking staffers answers questions from readers on Shop Talk Live, Fine Woodworking‘s biweekly podcast. Send your woodworking questions to [email protected] for consideration in the regular broadcast! Our continued existence relies upon listener support. So if you enjoy the show, be sure to leave us a five-star rating and maybe even a nice comment on our iTunes page.

 

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