Advice request - 40 Taper tooling: holders, collets, yada ...

19 Aug.,2024

 

Advice request - 40 Taper tooling: holders, collets, yada ...

Mr-Mike said:

Opinions on milling solutions for a 40 Taper Spindle. Thinking for 3/4 inch tool diameter and above I will grab a couple of end mill holders and for smaller stuff an adapter for ER or TG collets. Both of those appeal to me over R8 and since I have no R8 tooling, I have a clean start. I really don't know the pros and cons for the various options. Most of what I will do will be with shank diameters between 3/8 - 1 inch and perhaps a face mill up to 2 inch, if that's relevant (guessing on the face mill).

Your recommendations and opinions are most appreciated!

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What I did is not necessarily what anyone else would want to do, so "FWIW-not-much"

- First purchases were to get ER-40. I did that for basically EVERYTHING under-roof, even the drillpress. The wide collapse range lets one set of collets cover just about anything, including holding stock in the lathes as well as tools.

Then I try - and try HARD - to..not use it!. Well, yeah, that may sound dumb, but ER is slow to operate picky, picky about uber-clean, and SHOULD be set with a proper torque wrench.

CNC industry change the whole shebang - 40-taper mount in our case. But.. that's done with tool changers working out of a magazine. One needs a LOT of ER (or TG, or SK..) on those 40-taper tails. And TG or SK are often the better choice anyway.

So basically I treat ER as an actually pretty CHEAP fall-back or last-ditch solution. I have ER20 as well. Straight shank and # 2 MT for 10EE TS. But same-again. For use only if I have nothing faster and lower-hassle to use.

Just started adding TG-100. MariTool. Lovely stuff!

These do grip better than ER. One needs twice the collet-count for a TG "set" as ER, given the improved grip comes from half as much collapse range. No big deal. The target isn't "sets" so much as several each in limited-collapse or "on size" selections for specific tasking.

Even so, NO "collet" is my first choice for actual use on any mill.

Weldon-style "side lock" milling cutter holders are my first choice.

They last a long time. They are not terribly costly. One can have "many many" such that a tool STAYS in its own holder.

But then.. I also have side-locks on PDQ-Marlin "VS" adapted to #9 B&S and PDQ-Marlin "S" on 40-taper tails. These are what I like most of all.

Put the master holder in-place. Leave the drawbar alone for a long time. Their side lock holders are "special", of course, but are changed at the nose, drawbar not messed with.

There are other QC options in 40-taper, but PDQ-Marlin needs the least "daylight" to do a tool-swap.

Then, too I have a few 40-taper collets, and the usual suspects as to extenders, MT adapters, face & shell mill holders, and arbours, as MY 40-taper is on the horizontal spindle only. The vertical is # 9 B&S.

If I had to do it all over from an empty tool crib?

Key sizes of side-locks first.

TG-100 MariTool and a "set" next.

More side-locks third, and just keep-on grabbing.

A QC system if/as/when I could find a "deal". 40-taper is actually "quick change", all by itself. See "pull stud", but that ain't on my dance-card for a manual mill in me old age.



And, of course, ER 40 "whenever", because "why not"?

Fill-ins such as MT adapters (I have for #9 B&S as well) thereafter.

2C.. well "many drawers full" worth. Can never have "too many" 40-taper.

What I did is not necessarily what anyone else would want to do, so "FWIW-not-much"- First purchases were to get ER-40. I did that for basically EVERYTHING under-roof, even the drillpress. The wide collapse range lets one set of collets cover just about anything, including holding stock in the lathes as well as tools.Then I try - and try HARD - to... Well, yeah, that may sound dumb, but ER is slow to operate picky, picky about uber-clean, and SHOULD be set with a proper torque wrench.CNC industry change the whole shebang - 40-taper mount in our case. But.. that's done with tool changers working out of a magazine. One needs a LOT of ER (or TG, or SK..) on those 40-taper tails. And TG or SK are often the better choice anyway.So basically I treat ER as an actually pretty CHEAP fall-back or last-ditch solution. I have ER20 as well. Straight shank and # 2 MT for 10EE TS. But same-again. For use only if I have nothing faster and lower-hassle to use.Just started adding TG-100. MariTool. Lovely stuff!These do grip better than ER. One needs twice the collet-count for a TG "set" as ER, given the improved grip comes from half as much collapse range. No big deal. The target isn't "sets" so much as several each in limited-collapse or "on size" selections for specific tasking.Even so, NO "collet" is my first choice for actual use on any mill.Weldon-style "side lock" milling cutter holders are mychoice.They last a long time. They are not terribly costly. One can have "many many" such that a tool STAYS in its own holder.But then.. I also have side-locks on PDQ-Marlin "VS" adapted to #9 B&S and PDQ-Marlin "S" on 40-taper tails. These are what I like most of all.Put the master holder in-place. Leave the drawbar alone for a long time. Their side lock holders are "special", of course, but are changed at the nose, drawbar not messed with.There are other QC options in 40-taper, but PDQ-Marlin needs the least "daylight" to do a tool-swap.Then, too I have a few 40-taper collets, and the usual suspects as to extenders, MT adapters, face & shell mill holders, and arbours, as MY 40-taper is on the horizontal spindle only. The vertical is # 9 B&S.If I had to do it all over from an empty tool crib?Key sizes of side-locks first.TG-100 MariTool and a "set" next.More side-locks third, and just keep-on grabbing.A QC system if/as/when I could find a "deal". 40-taper is actually "quick change", all by itself. See "pull stud", but that ain't on my dance-card for a manual mill in me old age.And, of course, ER 40 "whenever", because "why not"?Fill-ins such as MT adapters (I have for #9 B&S as well) thereafter.2C.. well "many drawers full" worth. Can never have "too many" 40-taper.

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